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Okay, so this is no longer today's prompt, but yesterday's prompt was something like "what's the biggest leap of faith you've ever made"? And I kept meaning, at various points throughout the day, to respond to it, but it never actually happened because I was too busy posting about, er, the Falenan national anthem.

But anyway, the instant image that came to my mind was "...the Solitary Island, of course". And I wasn't even punning; that scene is just so strongly associated in my mind with the phrase "leap of faith", and even though it wasn't literally me taking it per se, in my mind I was there along with her. (I now know that "leap of faith" there was a change in the English version on censorship grounds, but it never occurred to me that that scene had been censored; it was pretty obvious what was happening, and I always assumed Cid was just trying for gallows humour. I still can't think of the phrase "perked 'em right up" without going "eep!", either. I always thought "leap of faith" was very poignant phrasing, actually, in the sense of having faith that the next life will be better than this, having faith that it won't hurt too much, etc.-- putting all your trust in this one act to make things better-- so I was kind of disappointed that it wasn't what had been said in the Japanese...)

And then I started thinking, "huh, that's not really what they mean. So what other leaps of faith have I taken?" And the next thing my mind immediately went to was... platform games. You know those parts in badly-designed platformers, that are how you can really tell a platformer is badly-designed, when you have to take a jump off a ledge not knowing if there's actual ground beneath you and just hoping you'll aim right? That's known in games journalism as a "leap of faith", or at least used to be when 2D platformers were the standard and before controllable cameras made the term obsolete. I know there was one big leap of faith in a first-party platform game that always bothered me because I thought such things were poor game design, but I can't remember exactly where it was at the moment... anyway, I know it's this really long drop from several screens above, and it's fairly easy to make it, but you can miss. That probably counts, because it always annoyed me even when I knew how to do it. I believe in a model of platformer design that allows you to navigate any obstacle on your first try using just skill and logical deduction, and a leap of faith doesn't allow you to use either; it's pure guesswork, the first time you do it.

And that is pretty much the gist of how my mind works. I thought about all of that before my mind even touched the idea of leaps of faith that didn't involve, you know, jumping; I had to get past those two ideas, and the fact that I was considering them as serious responses to the question, before I could even think about what the question writers actually meant.

And, you know, I can't actually think of any metaphorical leaps of faith I've taken. I'm sure I have, but they don't come to mind. And I like my answer better, anyway. So there it is.

And now a quick headcount, because y'all do keep coming out of the woodwork on this one and I want to know HOW MANY OF YOU ARE OUT THERE, dammit.

Have you ever actually played Suikoden V?

Played and finished!
Played but not finished

Have you played any of the Suikoden series?

Played and finished!
Played but not finished
This plot... I don't understand it.

Optional extras:

I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word.
I can believe things that are true and I can believe things that aren't true and I can believe things where nobody knows if they're true or not.
I believe that Gizel Godwin is secretly a Republican.
I believe in a thing called love!
Everytime I hear a newborn baby cry, or touch a leaf, or see the sky, then I know why I believe!


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Mar. 1st, 2008 06:07 pm (UTC)
Re: Gizel: yes, I did think of that small problem. (The part about his likeness to a certain faction of the US political system, not the Toran part. I do hope the Toran Republic and Gizel's vision of Falena have as little in common as possible.)

I didn't tick this one, because I got hung up on whether or not it was an affirmation, or a discussion of ability of belief, or the nature of truth, or what. XP

It's a quote from American Gods, actually. XD (I wanted to put the whole quote in, which is a character rambling on like this for a considerable length of time, but it wouldn't fit.)

And I use my Euram icon because I have no Gizel one. I need to at least just make a silly/parodic/mocking one or something, the amount of times I actually need one.
Mar. 1st, 2008 06:14 pm (UTC)
duce, you are with us now
Ditto on the "wait, that's a SECRET?" thing. If Gizel were any more open about his ideology, his death would've involved him being dragged through the central square of Falena impaled on a meathook.
Mar. 1st, 2008 06:21 pm (UTC)
Re: duce, you are with us now
True. Though, ow. I admit Gizel isn't my favourite character, and he advocates some seriously scary things, but I'm kinda sympathetic for him in that I think I can see what made him the way he is and also because one Falenan royal can't be wrong, well, okay, she can and often is but I'm inclined to give benefit of the doubt and say he was good at some point... and even if he wasn't, I don't think anyone deserves that. So I'm kind of glad he wasn't more open about it.

(Would they really've, though? I mean, Fred Phelps hasn't been meathook'd yet.)

But yeah, it's not that much of a secret. :D
Mar. 1st, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC)
Re: duce, you are with us now
True, but keep in mind that Fred Phelps isn't an absolute ruler. And also that the number of people who support him outnumber the people who ACTIVELY dislike him(as opposed to the rest, who just don't give a shit).
Mar. 1st, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC)
Re: duce, you are with us now
...really? That would shock me. S'far as I can tell even most on the religious Right think Phelps is a bit cracked; they wouldn't drag him across a city square, but they're not exactly all over the guy, either. Whereas I think everyone who's left or even moderate has a good deal of distaste for him.

That said, though, liberals aren't the kind to lynch people. And that's probably why it wouldn't happen. (And I'm not sure the people who weren't down with the Godwins are the lynching kind, either....)
Mar. 2nd, 2008 12:27 am (UTC)
Re: duce, you are with us now
(And I'm not sure the people who weren't down with the Godwins are the lynching kind, either....)

I agree.

And really, I wonder how many people would dislike Fred Phelps enough that they would actually lynch him, as opposed to having him humanely thrown out of power?

Not that all liberals are bleeding-heart kind people (in fact, I KNOW they're not, I know some who would literally want to hurt the conservatives), but I think the average person would probably draw the line at torture and meathooks. (And if not, er, what makes them better than him?)
Mar. 1st, 2008 11:55 pm (UTC)
The ironic note on Gizel is that, had he not gone after demi-humans, he probably would've won. I know I certainly cheesed the hell out of those beavers on anything that involved the water.
Mar. 2nd, 2008 12:03 am (UTC)
I didn't even use them until really late-game, actually, since I had no idea what they were like in battle and I didn't want to lose units. >D So he might still've lost. People have succeeded against worse odds!

They do, however, own everything they touch. As do the Dragon Horse Cavalry. One of the slightly recurring tropes of Suikoden, and a nice touch IMHO: the odd- or fragile-looking nonhumans are really, really skilled. See also the Ducks in Suikoden III.
Mar. 2nd, 2008 05:42 am (UTC)
On the other hand, I found the elves *completely* worthless, and both beavers and Dragon Horse Cavalry weren't as good outside of the warfare <_<
Mar. 2nd, 2008 03:07 am (UTC)
And how. Also, having the dwarves on your side is really what makes fleeing the castle a viable option.

Although I do think Marscal was the one who was most actively anti-demi-human.
Mar. 2nd, 2008 05:39 am (UTC)
Yep. And putting Childerich in charge of ANYTHING was another big mistake. Assassins aren't meant to be loud homocidal maniacs, and neither are generals or officials.

I think that's what I found slightly amusing about Suikoden 5. There are just *so* many mistakes that Gizel makes, there's no way he could've held onto the crown. While, at the same time, he showed himself to be more linient with Lym then you'd think he would.

He strikes me as less of your stereotypical evil baddie then he does someone who tries too hard to be a cold hearted politician. As humerous as he was meant to be, I think Salum Barrows would've done better then the Godwins.
Mar. 2nd, 2008 06:09 am (UTC)
Yeah... the Godwin faction had some serious blindspots when it came to running a country. Even after Lym reprimanded them for losing the support of the people.
Mar. 2nd, 2008 03:16 pm (UTC)
Yep. And putting Childerich in charge of ANYTHING was another big mistake. Assassins aren't meant to be loud homocidal maniacs, and neither are generals or officials.

Agreed. I think everyone thought that was really out of left field.

While, at the same time, he showed himself to be more linient with Lym then you'd think he would.

He strikes me as less of your stereotypical evil baddie then he does someone who tries too hard to be a cold hearted politician.

He never struck me as a stereotypical evil baddie, and I think cold-hearted politician is closer to it. Essentially, I think he's something of a sociopath; he doesn't have the range of emotional responses that most people do, he's extremely good at lying and maintaining a cool facade, and he's obsessed with manipulating people and playing games with their lives just for fun. I wouldn't be surprised if he put Childerich in power just to see the chaos that would result. But at the same time, he's clearly capable of feeling love, for example. And I don't think he'd hurt Lym. He's a really messed-up person with some unfortunate issues, and I don't think deep down he's bad... just something has got inside his head and really twisted it up. Possibly his mother's death. (Family problems seem to be a big cause of messed-up-ness amongst Falenan nobles... see Euram. I think Sialeeds having to watch her sister go insane dealt her a hard blow, as well.)
Mar. 3rd, 2008 09:14 am (UTC)
Suikoden villains are virtually never stereotypical evil baddies. That's one of the things that's so lovely about the series. (Suikoden IV dropped the ball on this one, but everyone knows that wasn't right for Suikoden.)
Mar. 2nd, 2008 12:41 am (UTC)
I said "played and finished", but as I haven't yet finished Rhapsodia, that might be entirely true. (I've just had more confirmation that I was practically at the end when I lost my memory card, though.)
Mar. 2nd, 2008 12:49 am (UTC)
Oh, that question just meant "have you played and finished at least one Suikoden". I think you can click that radio button, like, a thousand times over. ;) Though I understand if you do not actually want to, as that would be tiresome.
Mar. 2nd, 2008 03:15 am (UTC)
I also don't think LJ would let me. XD
Mar. 2nd, 2008 03:44 am (UTC)
Well, sure, it would let you *click* the radio button! It just wouldn't register that many clicks when you sent the form. XD
Mar. 2nd, 2008 04:52 am (UTC)
Oh, I remember those platformer leaps-of-faith.
it was pretty obvious what was happening, and I always assumed Cid was just trying for gallows humour.

That was my reaction as well. I was awfully confused when I heard people talking about censorship with respect to that scene.

I, um, also have my own moments of being way too literal-minded. And often much less serious than most other people on account of that. This is especially evident when it comes to song-association.

Oh, and speaking of being literal-minded, in my research we often deal with information flow and security, where it's ok if something public goes into something secret but not ok if something secret goes into something public. That is the interpretation of "secret" I'm applying to Gizel's party-affiliation, because seriously. (And I'm also being pretty liberal about the word "can".)
Mar. 2nd, 2008 06:20 am (UTC)
I'd thought that if it wasn't gallows humour, Cid had just been, you know, terribly sick and had written that in the grip of a hallucination. I thought it had been censored, true, but a kind of transparent censorship, like "You spoony bard!" It's clear to the meanest intelligence that Tellah isn't really comparing Edward to cutlery. But this way, we know what he's really saying, and we get a cool new adjective.

(The only real negative moment I have about FFVI's translation - well, I do have a couple, mostly about names, but very few - is when I was playing something while some friends played FFVI in the next room. I knew precisely when they'd gotten to Terra's "But I want to know what love is... now!" by the chorus of "Forty seconds? But I want it now!" This might be more a reflection on their and my lack of maturity, though.)

Rick Dangerous, on the Amiga, set new records for faith-leaping. The traps had no indication of when they'd go off. Walking forward was the equivalent of better-designed platformers' leaps of faith. And yet, somehow, I kept trying to play it and thinking that it was great.

In that respect, its spiritual successor is naturally I Wanna Be The Guy.
Mar. 2nd, 2008 06:27 am (UTC)
"Forty seconds? But I want it now!"

Oh dear, I hadn't even remembered that quote of Terra's, but you'll bet I'll be thinking of this whenever I finally replay the game.

I Wanna Be The Guy

Eep, I saw a friend playing that a while back... it looked terrifying.
Mar. 2nd, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
Oh, IWBTG! I keep meaning to try that.

I think we had higher hopes for games back then, and especially when we only had a handful of games to choose from and thought every one was manna sent from heaven, it was a lot easier to enjoy the fun aspects and downplay the flaws. Which in some cases leads to disappointment when you look back at the old things you loved and realised they weren't that great; but at the same time, the childhood capacity for patience and perseverance and forgiveness of a game's flaws can help form lifelong bonds with games we'd ignore in this day and age, and that's valuable.

Terribly sick could work, too. Either way, yeah, it really was not covering anything up. I didn't really know much about suicide when I was first playing that game, but it was pretty blatant to anyone old enough to read and comprehend the text what was going on, I think. People do not jump off cliffs, backwards, crying, when they want to live.

Oh dear. I'm curious as to what your name worries are, now. (Personally, I loved Terra as a name, both thematically - in contrast to Celes - and just in the sense that it sounds more otherworldly than Tina. And I never could get down with the "Cefca" spelling.)
Mar. 3rd, 2008 09:18 am (UTC)
Is it just the context or is my brain really just that warped when I think "you misspelled 'mana'"? XD

(I agree 100% with that sentence, though, as I'm sure you know.)
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